Thoroughbreds With Unique Coloring

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  • And of course Yankee Gentleman is the sire of American Pharoah's dam.

    Does Painting the Sky's dam have unique coloring too?
    Painting the Sky. 2 yr old filly by Yankee Gentleman
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/painting+the+sky
  • KMMKMM Member
    Good name for her!
  • She's being called a crop-out here, so I'm assuming her dam didn't have loud expression. She was definitely bred with racing in mind.
    https://www.facebook.com/ColouredThoroughbreds/photos/a.331731110367480.1073741836.330298970510694/395309414009649/?type=1&theater
  • KMMKMM Member
    She looks like Italian marble. :)
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  • Huh? Tincup, that's obscure even for you. Is that a quote or something? If not, what do you mean?
  • KMMKMM Member
    Good luck LC. We have a contemplative Tincup this afternoon-- evening.
  • Paniolo_GalPaniolo_Gal Member
    edited February 2016
    This filly broke her maiden last night (2/21/16) at Delta Downs. Her name is Painting the Sky. Shes duel registered thoroughbred and paint.
    https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12743780_951687501535915_2468553807786918919_n.jpg?oh=9cd65e14c06abbef5cf0f9b1173c2dd3&oe=57252CD6
    This was posted by Rachel in the General News discussion (page 171) but perhaps this thread would be a good place to archive this unusual colored filly! :oD
    Source: http://www.paulickreport.com/news/thoroughbred-racing/dual-registered-paint-thoroughbred-breaks-maiden-at-delta-downs/

    Here's another photo of Painting The Sky (2013f)
    image Photo by Coady Photography from Pinterest

    This is her Pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/painting+the+sky

    Okay found more information on Painting The Sky:
    A 2013 chestnut filly by Yankee Gentleman (1999 bay) x Lone Star Quest (2007 dkb/br). She is a result of a spontaneous mutation of the white spotting for dominant white (W). This "W-mutation is unknown-a new mutation."

    More close-up photos of Painting The Sky-see photos posted in Pinterest by Kirsten Wellman
    https://www.pinterest.com/ipitombe/thoroughbreds-white-spotting-dominant-white/
    Pinterest File: Thoroughbreds-White Spotting (Dominant White)
  • She would be easy to 'spot' in a crowd. ;)

    Striking filly!
  • She would be easy to 'spot' in a crowd. ;)

    Striking filly!
    I like your "pun" on the words easy to "spot" in a crowd...she is very eye catching and unique for sure...like an abstract work of art!
  • Interesting that her eyes and whole face look like the white of an albino. Odd mutation. Wonder if her eyes are pink or blue?
  • Don't like her head. Coloring is interesting..
  • Thanks for posting here - I don't go over to the general category any more because it is always political stuff - lol! Very interesting filly and I enjoy learning about the color variations out there not just in TBs. The color genetics crowd is always coming up with new findings and many of the things we thought we once knew about horse colors is challenged, so it is interesting to try to keep up. Pinterest would not share the photos Kirsten Wellman had gathered unless I registered there, so I didn't get to see all the different shots, but she has a web-site of her own as well.
  • She's blue-eyed. Weird for a horse with a DW mutation. Blue eyes usually came from splash in TBs.

  • Paniolo_GalPaniolo_Gal Member
    edited February 2016
    Very Interesting!...Immortal-JPN (2013c) is listed as a brown. But he is a stunning looking...black to me in these photos like his sire and grandsires...
    Sunday Silence (dkb/b)->Halo (blk)! :oD Just my unprofessional opinion, but it seems that the Japanese breed not only for bloodline/performance but for color as well. They appear to love/treasure their black or white thoroughbreds (ie Yukichan->Shirayukihime). Personally, I do too!

    Immortal's pedigree:
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/immortal9
  • Wow, I LOVE Immortal! Gorgeous. The Japanese do have some beautiful colored horses.
  • Immortal sure looks black to me, too, although I've seen horses photograph dark depending on the lighting.

    As for the Japanese breeding for color, it does help that the aforementioned fancy horses can also run. They sure do love them, though. IIRC, Yukichan was considered to be the most beautiful horse in Japan during her career, and I love the way Buchiko's handlers dress to match her.
  • Paniolo_GalPaniolo_Gal Member
    edited February 2016
    Sorry @Celeste_in_TX. I should have posted the individual Kirsten Wellman photos rather than link you all directly to Pinterest. My mistake...I didn't know you had to sign up with Pinterest to see these Wellman photos. :o(
    Anyway, these are the other photos not already posted or linked from Delta Downs Racing by EliRose that were shown in Pinterest.

    Close Up Photos of "Painting The Sky"
    image Posted in Pinterest by Kirsten Wellman

    image Posted in Pinterest by Kirsten Wellman
  • Me, too, but wasn't Sunday Silence listed as brown? Makes ya wonder...
    Immortal sure looks black to me, too, although I've seen horses photograph dark depending on the lighting.

    As for the Japanese breeding for color, it does help that the aforementioned fancy horses can also run. They sure do love them, though. IIRC, Yukichan was considered to be the most beautiful horse in Japan during her career, and I love the way Buchiko's handlers dress to match her.
  • Paniolo_GalPaniolo_Gal Member
    edited February 2016
    Yes @Delamont the pedigree chart shown above lists Sunday Silence as drkb/br. But tracing back in Immortal's lineage, there are several ancestors listed as black. As mentioned above: Halo (1969c, blk), and in the dam lineage: Surama-GER (1970c, blk), Raven Locks-GB (1945f, blk)...even Immortal's sire Manhattan Cafe-JPN (1998c) is listed as blk/br. I guess the only way to find out is to do a genetics test for coat color...idk. Perhaps @lauraj_cincinnati can provide some background on how they determine whether a horse is black or dark brown. At least today, they can do genetic testing to scientifically confirm coat colors. But back in Halo's and Surama's days, it might have been more based on very subtle exterior aspects for color determination...idk. :oD

    Oh...here's Immortal's pedigree chart once again:
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/immortal9
  • He was, even though there's general agreement that he was indeed black. It used to be that the Jockey Club was reluctant to register TBs as black (they still are to a degree).
  • Paniolo_GalPaniolo_Gal Member
    edited February 2016
    Sorry to shift back and forth between Immortal and Painting The Sky. Bear with my choppy postings. :o(
    She's blue-eyed. Weird for a horse with a DW mutation. Blue eyes usually came from splash in TBs.
    I guess they must have done a genetic test on Painting The Sky to determine she is a dominant white and not a sabino. Here's a posting from Zenyatta's Waiting Room 2016 (1/31/2016-Page 45) which I earlier should have posted in this thread instead or in Genetics:
    For the record - those "born white" horses are still brown or red based. That "white" is just a very extensive sabino or splash markings. Hail to Reason is a major color influence, especially through Halo (who was also a true black) and Roberto. It's why Japan gets all of those flashy kids through Sunday Silence ;)

    Yes, that was the common belief for the white thoroughbred...that it was a loud expression of the sabino. But during my side-tracked research of the grey & white thoroughbred, "modern genetic sequencing found...that a majority of loud white coloring actually carry a different allele of the same gene (KIT) that can cause sabino-like patterns. There are 11 variants of KIT and is listed as
    "dominant white". Only genetic testing can determine whether a horse that appears sabino or white carries the sabino allele or the dominant white version of the KIT gene....these loud sabino-patterned horses (dominant white) seem to have arised from spontaneous mutations."
    Sources:
    July 26, 2013: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/79463/mahubahs-corner-white-thoroughbreds
    Overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_white

    Anyway...I'm no expert, and will never claim to be...but I like to do research to learn. :oD
  • Yes @Delamont the pedigree chart shown above lists Sunday Silence as drkb/br. But tracing back in Immortal's lineage, there are several ancestors listed as black. As mentioned above: Halo (1969c, blk), and in the dam lineage: Surama-GER (1970c, blk), Raven Locks-GB (1945f, blk)...even Immortal's sire Manhattan Cafe-JPN (1998c) is listed as blk/br. I guess the only way to find out is to do a genetics test for coat color...idk. Perhaps @lauraj_cincinnati can provide some background on how they determine whether a horse is black or dark brown. At least today, they can do genetic testing to scientifically confirm coat colors. But back in Halo's and Surama's days, it might have been more based on very subtle exterior aspects for color determination...idk. :oD

    Oh...here's Immortal's pedigree chart once again:
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/immortal9
    Now he looks like a dark brown in that photo.
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