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  • moshokmoshok Member
    whoodler said:

    The only reason anyone has heard of Sherriffs is Zenyatta, not the other way around..

    Yet Ann and Jerry Moss are sticking with him, possibly because he trained their Derby winner Giacomo and his half-brother Tiago, who between them earned more than $4 million. Has any other trainer they've used trained both a Kentucky Derby and a Breeder's Cup Classic winner?

    And how about the fact that Shirreffs also trained Life Is Sweet to a Breeder's Cup Ladies' Classic victory on the same day Zennyatta won her Breeder's Cup Classic?

    IMO, his "rep" is a just a tad more impressive than you'd have us believe.





  • KMMKMM Member
    I wouldn't totally discount Shirreffs. Has had OK career: Starts--2,671; firsts--472; seconds--398; thirds--392; total earnings--$45,536,587.
    Highest earning horses: does not list all their graded wins, etc.
    Zenyatta​ (G1s)
    Giacomo G1 Kentucky Derby
    Tiago G1 Santa Anita Derby
    Life is Sweet G1 Breeders Cup Ladies Classic
    Manistique G1 Vanity
    Hollywood Story G1 Hollywood Starlet
    Gormley G1 Santa Anita Derby
    Mr. Commons G2 Arcadia
    After Market G1 Eddie Read
    Cliquot G3 Camino Real
    Harmonious G1 Queen E II Cup
    Starrer G1 Santa Anita Handicap
    Proposed GII Milady's Breeders Cup Handicap
    Calkins Road
    David Copperfield G3 Bay Meadows
    Madeo G2 Delmar Derby
    Radu Cool G2 Chula Vista
    Blingo G2 San Antonio
    Stanwyck G3 Turn Back the Alarm

    Listing of Shirreffs top money and stakes winners.

  • tincuptincup Member
    KMM said:

    I wouldn't totally discount Shirreffs. Has had OK career: Starts--2,671; firsts--472; seconds--398; thirds--392; total earnings--$45,536,587.
    Highest earning horses: does not list all their graded wins, etc.
    Zenyatta​ (G1s)
    Giacomo G1 Kentucky Derby
    Tiago G1 Santa Anita Derby
    Life is Sweet G1 Breeders Cup Ladies Classic
    Manistique G1 Vanity
    Hollywood Story G1 Hollywood Starlet
    Gormley G1 Santa Anita Derby
    Mr. Commons G2 Arcadia
    After Market G1 Eddie Read
    Cliquot G3 Camino Real
    Harmonious G1 Queen E II Cup
    Starrer G1 Santa Anita Handicap
    Proposed GII Milady's Breeders Cup Handicap
    Calkins Road
    David Copperfield G3 Bay Meadows
    Madeo G2 Delmar Derby
    Radu Cool G2 Chula Vista
    Blingo G2 San Antonio
    Stanwyck G3 Turn Back the Alarm

    Listing of Shirreffs top money and stakes winners.

    See how easy that was?
    You didn't even put anyone down.
    Now, of the horses listed, some could make an argument that they preformed below expectation. One could argue the inability to sustain progress and performance.
    One could argue, where are the hundreds not on this list?
    Like keri bell? She's an outstanding horse, managed horribly.
    Lots of these.

  • STARTS vs horses being trained? Ummm.

    Now do the other SA trainers... leave out Baffert if that helps the statistics.
  • KMMKMM Member
    Be my guest. B)
  • You're the statistics expert on the forum.
    And we all know what they say about statistics.
  • KMMKMM Member
    You can get the same info I did from Equibase, but you know that. Have fun! B)
  • tincuptincup Member
    Last thing.
    At this point, I look forward to Zenyattas gold be given a name.
    Watching the babies has been the most difficult thing I've experienced in the racing world.
    I wait with great anticipation....for a name.
  • KMMKMM Member
    Not a bad name, tincup--Zen's Gold.
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