California Horse Racing HITS ROCK BOTTOM

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CHRB Commissioner Bo Derek acts like a little rat poison never hurt anybody or anything. She claims there is "no spike in the number" of horse cardiac deaths. OK, so your pal, Bob Baffert's numbers aren't alarming?

This good old boy and girl network in the CHRB and California race horse trainers has frustrated fans, bettors, owners and honest hard-working trainers. It's time to take a closer look at the so-called CHRB. But first, I want to show you the way things work in California. Here is a video of the 2010 Del Mar Derby won by Twirling Candy. There's no doubt Twirling Candy was the best race horse this day. But turning into the backstretch he veers out totally impeding the grey horse, which will eventually finish last. Move the video to the 3:00 mark to take a head-on look:



Now it's no coincidence that Twirling Candy is OWNED BY PROMIMENT CALIFORNIA HORSE OWNER, JENNY CRAIG, you may know her as the weight center guru. Mrs Craig has invested a lot of money into the sport. But that should have nothing to do with official rulings on the track. The Del Mar stewards, who also work Hollywood Park and Santa Anita, didn't even interview the jockeys involved. It was a total whitewash in favor of a popular owner.

This is not a statement of Jenny Craig. She graciously apologized to the owners of the grey horse the next day. Seems she felt that her horse was guilty of interference, but not the stewards, who made the favorable call.

In 2011, these allegations came out about monkey business at CHRB:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/62861/chrb-whistle-blower-sues-agency

Now if take just one of these situations, one could say "inconclusive". But emerging is a pattern of dishonesty and favoritism.

In yet another uproar, Bo Derek says her peace:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/chrb-no-spike-in-sudden-equine-deaths/


Bay Meadows=gone. Vallejo=gone. Hollywood Park=going, going gone. The CHRB launched the most recent takeout increase, picking the pocket of bettors.

It's time for a complete overhaul of CHRB. Bo Derek needs to resign immediately. She is no friend to the sport, but she remains buddy with Bob Baffert.

Even John Shirreffs is leaving the state for New York. When New York becomes more desirable, enough said.
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  • Bo Derek should NEVER have been put on the board!!!!!!!!!!!! The last Governor of CA did that!!!!!!! NEED I AY MORE!!!!!!! Don't get me started on Baffert!!!!!!
  • MargaretMargaret Member
    edited April 2013
    Oh you mean the former governor stoopid...the one who kept giving prison guards pay raises and bankrupted schools. He wants nothing more than to change the laws so he can run for President! Not gonna happen! Even if he was allowed to run I'd be all over fb protesting and telling folks how he bankrupted CA. Hopefully I'll outlive him since he is a few older than me...
  • Bo Derek should NEVER have been put on the board!!!!!!!!!!!! The last Governor of CA did that!!!!!!! NEED I AY MORE!!!!!!! Don't get me started on Baffert!!!!!!
    I used to HATE Baffert and just started to like him in the last year. Now I am starting not to like him! He should get the "Rick Dutrow" treatment if he is found guilty!
  • Bo Derek should NEVER have been put on the board!!!!!!!!!!!! The last Governor of CA did that!!!!!!! NEED I AY MORE!!!!!!! Don't get me started on Baffert!!!!!!

    I used to HATE Baffert and just started to like him in the last year. Now I am starting not to like him! He should get the "Rick Dutrow" treatment if he is found guilty!
    I have a feeling it will be swept right under the rug. Especially with Kentucky Derby coming up.
  • He's keeping quiet, which I think is unusual... Personally if those were MY horses, and MY horses had died. I'd be infuriated, I would want to know WHAT the cause is, and if anyone is responsible. But he's clammed up! Seems rather suspicious if you ask me.
  • Another odd thing, all of the deaths occurred at Hollywood Park, none at Santa Anita. I wonder what's up with that?
  • i thought there was some at santa anita? bob baffert is stationed there
  • CHRB, when you keep treating customers this way, is it any wonder your tracks are closing down?
  • Rachel, I had read that in an article, I'm looking for it and will post it when I find it. Yes Baffert is stationed at SA, meaning it's very odd if all the fatalities occurred at HP. One could surmise if true, that the van rides to HP only made the horses more uptight and agitated. Just speculation,
  • Each trainer should be limited to a number of horses!!! Baffert doesn't know the names of half in his so called CARE!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Each trainer should be limited to a number of horses!!! Baffert doesn't know the names of half in his so called CARE!!!!!!!!!!!
    I agree and he's a dirt type trainer not a turf type trainer and I think that to be a good trainer shouldn't you have horses do well on both surfaces?
  • Each trainer should be limited to a number of horses!!! Baffert doesn't know the names of half in his so called CARE!!!!!!!!!!!


    I agree and he's a dirt type trainer not a turf type trainer and I think that to be a good trainer shouldn't you have horses do well on both surfaces?
    I am in NO WAY speaking in support of Baffert with this comment.

    Different trainers have different strengths. What it takes to train a turf runner is different from a dirt runner to a synthetic specialist. Each surface demands a different running style, a different sort of fitness. Even mentally the horses are slightly different approaches to running.

    Ideally yes a trainer should be able to train equally on all three surfaces but that's kinda like asking for a horse who runs equally well on all three surfaces. Its the exception, rather than the rule.
  • Each trainer should be limited to a number of horses!!! Baffert doesn't know the names of half in his so called CARE!!!!!!!!!!!


    I agree and he's a dirt type trainer not a turf type trainer and I think that to be a good trainer shouldn't you have horses do well on both surfaces?


    I am in NO WAY speaking in support of Baffert with this comment.

    Different trainers have different strengths. What it takes to train a turf runner is different from a dirt runner to a synthetic specialist. Each surface demands a different running style, a different sort of fitness. Even mentally the horses are slightly different approaches to running.

    Ideally yes a trainer should be able to train equally on all three surfaces but that's kinda like asking for a horse who runs equally well on all three surfaces. Its the exception, rather than the rule.
    I'm not saying Baffert doesn't have any turf runners but he has very few. i once heard in an interview with him (not exactly sure where) that he will only put his horses on the turf as a "last resort" type of thing. Which I'm not saying I'm for or against but if a horse has a turf pedigree why make them run on dirt if they don't like it?
  • Prestige.

    American racing is built around dirt.

    You see it in the HOY voting discussions. I honestly can not thing of a HOY winner who won solely on turf but there are a quite a few who won on nothing but dirt.

    Our 'classics' are on dirt. The big purses are on dirt. In discussions it all centers around "Well, but how does s/he do on dirt?" and "Can they get 10 furlongs."

    Our top stallions are dirt producers. We discuss Zenyatta going to Bullet Train or Frankel but she never will because there would be no top races to showcase the resulting foal. Yes there is the Breeders Cup Turf races but those are the only ones usually shown on television and 9 times out of 10 the Europeans come over here and kick our butts because American horses are NOT the top turf blood in the world.

    For a trainer the money is in the dirt. If they're a very good trainers with a balanced stable, they can focus equally on turf and dirt but if you looked at their purses the money coming too them is from the dirt side of the stable.

    There is a definite stigma in America to being a turf horse. It is looked down upon, which is a shame because most of the rest of the world runs their top races on turf.
  • Ok, let's get the facts straight here. Bo Derek said there was no evidence of a spike in sudden horse deaths. Which is correct. However, even if that is an issue in itself, that doesn't address why most of them were from Bob's barn. I had a boss that took a certain type of rat poison to thin his blood so he wouldn't get clots. So, I don't see, the tiny amount found in 3 of the horses an issue. What I find is the issue is the fact that out of the 7 "sudden deaths" in the last 18 months 3 were owned by the same guy. Another major issue is: " After the second," why wasn't there an investigation? Check, change the feed etc??? What new cocktails are they using?? Blood doping etc?? Bob has many violations over the years, that I didn't realize.
    Something either in his feed, barn or, chemicals are causing this. And, the chrb is just going to sweep this under the rug. What a shame.
    This also makes me think, that whatever was/is going on in his barn were causes to Bode's and Paynter's demise. You also have to hold Owners responsible. They might not be directly involved but, they get the bills. If you got an unexpected vet bill for $1K or more, wouldn't you wonder, why?

    Then, to read that PETA is offering a $5k reward for info on this? Oh my!! Usually, I don't like PETA involved in racing ( Eight Belles etc) but, in this case, I support them.
    There is a reason for this. Then, to have his colt pulled up today... Wow, I wouldn't want to be Bob right now or Bo for that matter!!!!
  • I agree Heidi YES Baffert has had good horses and won numerous big races but at what cost? From what I've heard a few of the people he trains for are not only his clients but also his personal friends. I understand that, but if he is doing what he is being said to why are his clients not taking a stand against it?
  • Money.

    For every owner like the Mosses you have 8 - 10 owners who don't care how their horse wins only that they cross that finish line first.
  • Many owners don't have a clue on how a horse should be cared for. These owners put the trainer in charge. Like any business There is the good, the bad and the stupid. The trainers with the silver tongue have ruined many good horses.

    Go back a couple years and look at how many good horses are NOT running now.

    Not every horse has a owner like Ann Moss or Barbara Banks, with knowledge, involvement and the care that is given.
  • It's called, owner and trainer Greed!!! The seven years I worked for VictoryRose, not once, did she have a horse just drop dead for no apparent reason. Yeah, she trains claimers and allowance horses but, still. Back in the day, using Steroids, was the usual and she did on some of her horses. She never had a break down either, that I know of on the "track." Yes, at the ranch, there were a couple of deaths on the training track but, nothing like this and those that did, were coming back off of lay-ups or whatever. Actually, the entire time I was there, only two died on the training track. One being a gelding, which was the riders fault. The second was her old Pony mare which again, was the riders fault. What happened to that rider??? Gone, gone gone!!!
  • Money.

    For every owner like the Mosses you have 8 - 10 owners who don't care how their horse wins only that they cross that finish line first.
    I agree hopefully now those owners will pay more attention to how their horses are being cared for but I don't think it would happen........
  • @Heidik
    This is not ment to be an attack on you but I don't think PETA should be involved in any part of horse racing. When they attack Barbara Banks for Rachel health issue after foaling
    when that could have happened to any horse in America thats when I put my foot down. They have no business being anywhere near this sport because they attack the owners that actually care for thier horses like there family.

    p.s Sorry for spelling mistakes it's late.
  • Well, PETA is not liked by the racing industry. But what does America think about PETA? Most non-racing fans think PETA saves animals lives. What do most Americans think about horse racing? Horse racing is a sport where people bet money on animals. The animals rarely, but sometimes die. There has been widespread rumors of drug use by trainers towards their horses.

    If the racing industry tries to fight PETA, they will lose. It doesn't matter what WE think about PETA, what does the average person think?
  • Actually I think PETA has shot themselves in their own foot with the average person.
  • OK, so the "average person" would side with Race Track owners who've pocketed every available dollar instead of investing it back into the dilapitaded facility? They would side with horse trainers who are in the spotlight on drugging horses? They would side with bettors who get their fix betting on animals who sometimes lose their lives while competing?

    Give me a break!
  • Remember the TV show Luck (3) horses died while filming Peta shut the show down!!!!!! I do agree PETA should not have been involved with Barbara and Rachel The problem with Rachel WAS NOT neglect!!! This has happened before with a birth BUT Barbara Banks had the money to SAVE Rachel The average owner would not have been able to do so. I have no idea the cost but I am sure $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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