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Unbridled's Song

Especially_HorsesEspecially_Horses Member
in Thoroughbred Breeding
I couldn't find a Discussion Thread just for Unbridled's Song.


Forever Unbridled Breaks Through in Comely

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/96259/forever-unbridled-breaks-through-in-comely
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  • Especially_HorsesEspecially_Horses Member
    His last yearlings went through the sales ring this summer.
    Fasig-Tipton Saratoga: Unbridled's Song's Last Yearlings:
  • Especially_HorsesEspecially_Horses Member
    It always bugged me that they didn't name him just plain Unbridled Song. I never liked that they made the word Unbridled "possessive". It doesn't flow well to me and certainly wasn't as easy to call in a race as just saying Unbridled Song. Oh well, definitely a lot of water under the bridge and who cares now. LOL
    I couldn't find a Discussion Thread just for Unbridled's Song.
  • KMMKMM Member
    I actually like his name. It is Unbridled's "Song"... Song implies happiness, last song, swan song...just sounds more poetic to me. Song is about celebration, mystical awareness, praying to the gods.:)
  • Especially_HorsesEspecially_Horses Member
    Don't recall....was Unbridled's Song from the last crop of Unbridled? If so, you can also look at it like a swan song. :)
  • EliRoseEliRose Member
    He was from Unbridled's first crop, I believe. Halfbridled was from the last though :)
  • Especially_HorsesEspecially_Horses Member
    Wow, I got that one wrong...not a swan song.
    He was from Unbridled's first crop, I believe. Halfbridled was from the last though :)
  • sarinnesarinne Member
    His dam's name is Trolley Song.
  • KMMKMM Member
    She was a good dam. Good bloodlines. K
  • KetaKeta Member
    Arrogate Blazes to Travers Record
    By Claire Novak, The Blood-Horse August 27, 2016
    This year Baffert showed up with Juddmonte's Arrogate—a colt previously untested in graded stakes competition—and blew the 3-year-old division apart with the fastest Travers performance in history, and a new track record for 1 1/4 miles at Saratoga Race Course.
    With Mike Smith in the irons, Arrogate set quick fractions and then opened up by daylight off the final turn. The son of Unbridled's Song blazed under the wire in a final time of 1:59.36.
    http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/214577/arrogate-blazes-to-travers-record
  • tincuptincup Member
    Thank you forever....and ever
    Unbridled for ever to me...forever for me...
  • KMMKMM Member
    You must have won some pretty pennies, tincup. :)
  • QueenZFan22QueenZFan22 Member
    I posted the Travers in the Saratoga discussion but do you think I should post it here too?
  • KMMKMM Member
    Its good, whatever you want to do!
  • KMMKMM Member
    edited August 2016
    I didn't know he had three year olds on ground...last crop?
  • tincuptincup Member
    I just love unbridled
  • LionessLioness Member
    KMM said:

    I didn't know he had three year olds on ground...last crop?

    His last crop was born in 2014 (as he died in mid-2013) and is currently two-year-olds.
  • QueenZFan22QueenZFan22 Member
    Arrogate will train up to the Classic Baffert said: http://www.paulickreport.com/news/breeders-cup/baffert-plans-train-arrogate-breeders-cup-classic/#.V8NK1UchjS8.facebook
  • Especially_HorsesEspecially_Horses Member
    The BCC just gets better and better.
    QueenZFan22 said:

    Arrogate will train up to the Classic Baffert said: http://www.paulickreport.com/news/breeders-cup/baffert-plans-train-arrogate-breeders-cup-classic/#.V8NK1UchjS8.facebook

  • QueenZFan22QueenZFan22 Member
    Baffert Forever Linked to Unbridled's Song: http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse-racing-steve-haskin/archive/2016/08/28/baffert-forever-linked-to-unbridled-s-song.aspx
  • KetaKeta Member
    Arrogate’s Travers victory earns Brisnet.com’s Highest Rating Ever
    By: Twinspires.com on August 30, 2016
    Arrogate won the $1.25-million Travers Stakes on Saturday August 27, at Saratoga Race Course. In doing so, he not only defeated the top 3-year-olds of 2016 but also all other horses who have raced since January 1, 1990, when Brisnet.com started assigning Speed Ratings to races.
    http://www.twinspires.com/blog/2016/8/30/arrogate’s-travers-victory-earns-brisnetcom’s-highest-rating-ever
    124 is the number!
  • tincuptincup Member
    It was pretty clear, as Arrogate was passing the wire, we were watching a special performance. The final time was a surprise and one that needed further context. Saratoga is generally pretty stingy with time, and history needs a place to put that performance. Not to mention the other horses out there waiting for the BCC and needing a yard stick to measure fit.
    So we get speed figures.
    Brisnet
    Beyer
    Equibase
    RPR
    By sunday morning the chatter had already begun and one knew this was going to garner giant numbers from most, perhaps all the speed machines.
    At some point there should be some good articles explaining the performance and comparing it to others and maybe giving some of us the needed ammo to attack the east coast bias that typically goes into the process.
  • whoodlerwhoodler Member
    Ummm, T,
    could you explain "the east coast bias" to which you refer. (I know what bias means....)
  • tincuptincup Member
    edited September 2016
    The bias of the industry toward regional performance is as tightly guarded as the bias toward regional breeding.
    Forgetting for a moment all the reasons for the bias, I`ll try to explain my thoughts on how it comes to play.
    The speed figures start with raw numbers made for each track across the country. Humans determine , on any given day or race ,the variant the track will have. If fast, the numbers are changed to explain faster times. If slow, they will show that. Plus or minus, each day and race will see a variant change the raw number. At least thats what is supposed to happen. Because humans input these variants into the models, the figures can be manipulated. Funny thing is, sometimes the manipulation back fires and then you get to see the makers of the numbers dance around the official figures, redistribute variant and come out with a better number.
    It has happened to A Beyer twice in the last couple of years. Those were important races and he had no choice but to redo. Makes me wonder how many times it really happens, but is let go because its just some claimer/allow without any real regional importance.
    We know the main factor in a speed figure is time of finish and track variant. but we also know every race is measured within its self. How easy was it get, how did the fractions play a part. What was the level of competition. Human involvement.
    So, if you were to have a final time of 2.00 flat in a 10 furlong at Toga. One at Del Mar. One at Santa Anita, at gulfstream, at Belmont,at Churchill, at etal...and used the raw number of each track, guess where each number would be put at.
    highest to lowest
    toga
    belmont
    churchill
    gulfstream
    santa anita
    del mar
    These are fair raw speed figures. Its when adding the variants that things turn funny. The eastern track doesnt reflect the days that gain speed, and the western track isnt given credit for slow days. The huge difference between a performance in the east versus the same in the west can not be explained by variant.
    Also..Gulfstream is a conveyor belt of speed and wins on an easy lead, on the dirt. Yet the speed figures rarely reflect that. Its a lear example of protecting the interest of eastern racing.
  • sarinnesarinne Member
    Awesome explanation, @tincup, thank you!
  • tincuptincup Member
    sarinne said:

    Awesome explanation, @tincup, thank you!

    thank you
    Added some stuff in an edit. Needed to correct the raw ( not variant) speed list.
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