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  • Galileo: The Hardest Of Acts To Follow
    Galileo officially turns 23 on New Year’s Day and he has now been champion sire in Britain and Ireland for more than half of his life.

    I know that Artificial insemination (AI) is not allowed for Thoroughbreds, but wondering if anyone here would consider it worth while to collect and save vials of frozen sperm from Galileo for the future, just in case someday the Jockey Club allows AI. Whether or not AI is a good thing for the breed certainly is up for discussion....do we want a glut of thoroughbreds born from popular studs and mares?

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  • I am not sure Coolmore would be so keen on that, pretty much all his offsring come from them or their associates and thats fine for them as they hold the monopoly. If lots off offspring flood the market then that monopoly dissapears and thats bad for the Coolmore juggernaut.

    Most of the UK breeders are firmly opposed to the idea of AI even in response to Covid which limited the movement of mares. The problem here is that it could be detrimental to breed in that we get even more Galileo’s or Tapit’s or whoever is this years flavour leading to an even smaller genepool.

    Cloning is another relevant issue, has been used in event horse breeding in the UK but not to any extent
  • edited January 6
    Coolmore aside, I'd like to see some of Galileo's sperm saved, it pains me to think of the day when he is pensioned from stud duties, haha. I understand the objection to AI and I'm 99% on that side, but if controls / criteria were put in place to limit the use of AI it might prove to be beneficial or at the very least a tool to try to save some of the disappearing sire lines. For example Round Table in pedigrees, especially in the male line has all but disappeared and with Tiznow being pensioned, the Man O' War sire line is in danger, as Tiznow was the leading conduit to the Man O' War sire line (and yes, I know getting a consensus on what controls/ criteria would be put in place would be nearly impossible and unlikely). I think it would have been awesome to see a 21st century foal by Bold Ruler, Northern Dancer, Secretariat. Just fun food for thought.
    racingfan said:

    I am not sure Coolmore would be so keen on that, pretty much all his offsring come from them or their associates and thats fine for them as they hold the monopoly. If lots off offspring flood the market then that monopoly dissapears and thats bad for the Coolmore juggernaut.

    Most of the UK breeders are firmly opposed to the idea of AI even in response to Covid which limited the movement of mares. The problem here is that it could be detrimental to breed in that we get even more Galileo’s or Tapit’s or whoever is this years flavour leading to an even smaller genepool.

    Cloning is another relevant issue, has been used in event horse breeding in the UK but not to any extent

  • KMMKMM Member
    Especially_Horses, Galileo has sons and grandsons standing, and he has produced many mares, so is there as far broodsire status. Euros actually have to look find horses free of this bloodline in the first 3X.
  • From Blood Horse:

    Later in the day during Race 9, Landeros again guided a winner across the wire on the turf course. This time it was Modern Science , an Irish-bred son of Galileo , who won his fourth start for trainer Ian Wilkes.

    Lothenbach Stables' Modern Science, a half brother to group 2 winner and Connolly's Red Mills Cheveley Park Stakes (G1) third Besharah , made his first three starts as a 2-year-old last summer. With a third at Ellis Park and two runner-up finishes at Saratoga Race Course, the promising colt returned to the races nine months later to lead throughout and win by 1 1/2 lengths.

    Outrunning a field of 11 other maidens, 3 and older, Modern Science completed the mile on firm turf in 1:35.85.
  • racingfanracingfan Member
    The Epsom Derby is coming up so its time to look at big daddy himself and his relationship with the race. Galileo won the Derby 20 years ago but his association with the race has never been stronger. But while Galileo’s superstar status at stud might almost be taken for granted now after his 12 sires’ championships, it’s something that he has had to earn.

    Being a Derby winner ensured Galileo a place at Coolmore as a Flat stallion, but even top-class mile-and-a-half performers don’t have quite the same commercial appeal as stallions proven at the top level over a mile or a mile and a quarter – or at least that was the case when Galileo retired to stud. When Coolmore’s Giant’s Causeway, who never raced over as far as a mile and a half, was retired to stud a year before Galileo, his initial fee in Ireland was IR £100,000. Galileo, although rated 2lb higher by Timeform, started out at only half that figure and his fee soon dipped to €37,500 for a couple of seasons before he began to get outstanding results on the track.

    Galileo was the winner of all three of his starts when he lined up for the Derby and he started joint-favourite for the Derby with the 2000 Guineas winner Golan in a small field by Derby standards of 12. Galileo treated the huge crowd to the most impressive display by a Derby winner since Generous ten years earlier. Quite simply, he proved a class apart trouncing the opposition with a devastating change of pace halfway up the straight as Golan stayed on for second three and a half lengths behind him.

    It was that change of pace that Aidan O’Brien was keen to highlight after the Derby. ‘He has the speed of a sprinter and the strength of a miler, and this is something I have never seen before in a horse capable of winning a classic over a mile and a half’ O’Brien was quoted as saying in Galileo’s essay in Racehorses of 2001. Initial plans for Galileo suggested that he wouldn’t race over as far as a mile and a half again – the Eclipse, Queen Elizabeth II Stakes and Breeders’ Cup Classic were said to be on his agenda - but in the event he remained at the Derby distance for his next two starts, following an easy win in the Irish Derby with a more hard-earned victory on his first start against older horses in the King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes where he had to dig deep to repel Fantastic Light by two lengths.

    When he was dropped back to a mile and a quarter for his last two starts, Galileo met with his only two defeats. The Irish Champion Stakes proved another memorable head-to-head with Fantastic Light, though after making the first move it was Fantastic Light who held a narrow advantage to the line this time. Galileo managed only sixth in the Breeders’ Cup Classic, though he’d been prepared for his first taste of dirt with an away day to Southwell for a gallop on the all-weather.

    Galileo’s sire Sadler’s Wells was well on the way to earning legendary status as a stallion by the time Galileo came along. But after Sadler’s Wells had sired five Derby runners-up, Galileo finally provided his sire, then aged 20, with his first Derby winner. Galileo’s Derby victory was also a record 46th Group/Grade 1 winner for Sadler’s Wells. Unlikely though it would have seemed at the time that he could surpass the feats of his sire at stud, Galileo would go on to write his own records.

    Not the least of those is his achievement of siring five Derby winners of his own to date. He became the most successful Derby sire outright after Serpentine’s runaway success last July. Galileo had previously been one of several sires with four Derby winners, the most recent of those being his Coolmore stud-mate and fellow son of Sadler’s Wells Montjeu. Like his earlier Derby winners Ruler of The World, Australia and Anthony Van Dyck, Serpentine was in Coolmore ownership and trained by Aidan O’Brien but, significantly, Galileo’s very first Derby winner, New Approach, was bred, as well as trained, by Galileo’s greatest supporter in his early years at stud, Jim Bolger.

    John Magnier freely admits that things might have been different if it hadn’t been for Jim Bolger. Coolmore was not saying anything good about Galileo and there was every danger that Galileo might have been sold to Japan or whoever would have him. Coolmore can move things on fairly quickly there, and he definitely wasn’t going well when they reduced him to €37,500.

    Not only was New Approach his sire’s first Derby winner in 2008, his success that season – he also won the Irish Champion Stakes and the Champion Stakes at Newmarket – helped Galileo to become champion sire for the first time, confirming himself the natural successor to Sadler’s Wells who had been retired from stud duties that spring due to declining fertility. Through New Approach, Bolger’s faith in Galileo is still being repaid in the classics years later, with his recent 2000 Guineas winner Poetic Flare being a grandson of New Approach.

    New Approach’s retirement to Darley Stud (alongside another Bolger-bred son of Galileo, Teofilo) gave Sheikh Mohammed access to Galileo’s bloodline and, ten years after New Approach’s Derby win, his son Masar became the first Derby winner for Godolphin. Masar surely won’t be the last of Galileo’s grandsons to win the Derby. A look at the 29 colts remaining among the entries for this year’s race after the latest acceptance stage shows that Galileo, now aged 23, is either sire or grandsire of around half of those left in.

    Bolger and New Approach could be represented by the Irish 2000 Guineas winner Mac Swiney but it’s Frankel who holds the strongest hand among Galileo’s grandsons with his five possibles including Hurricane Lane, Mohaafeth and John Leeper who all made big impressions winning their trials. Frankel never contested the Derby himself, of course, but he went close with Cracksman, third when favourite in 2017, and he has already sired an Oaks winner in Anapurna.

    But it’s Galileo’s own sons Bolshoi Ballet and High Definition who head the Derby betting. While High Definition was the long-time ante-post favourite, he has since been usurped by his Ballydoyle stablemate who has taken a familiar route to Epsom. Twenty years after his sire, Bolshoi Ballet made a successful reappearance in the Ballysax Stakes and then followed up with an impressive six-length victory in the Derrinstown Stud Derby Trial which suggests he could well continue to follow in his father’s footsteps at Epsom too.
  • bleubettybleubetty Member
    edited May 26
    Thank you @racingfan for the background info on Galileo --- I never knew his stub fee was as low as $37,500 Euro or that his stud status at Coolmore was in doubt! Anytime I have checked, his stud fee was listed as private. Would you know how many mares he was bred to this season, I would assume there are some restrictions regarding his book of mares and that they are reducing his numbers since he is 23 years old. That's what Gainesway has done with Tapit's book --- he is now just under 100 mares bred and no maidens. Any idea what Galileo's stud fee is now?
    Edited to add that I think Galileo is a magnificent stallion and so many of his offspring bare a strong resemblance to him --- especially Frankel. I also had high hopes for Noble Mission in the US, but now he's gone and standing stud in Japan :'( So glad EliRose got herself a Noble Mission foal before he left our side of the pond.
  • racingfanracingfan Member
    The latest return of mares which was published in November 2020 showed that Galileo covered 120 mares, no restrictions on maidens though. Mare returns in 2020 reveal that he covered a book chock-full of outstanding racemares and producers in his 19th Northern Hemisphere covering season at Coolmore.

    G1 winners he received in 2020, included Abel Tasman, Again, Alpha Centauri, Amazing Maria, Amicus, Awesome Maria, Beauty Parlour, Daddys Lil Darling, Esoterique, Fairyland, Fiesolana, Goldikova, Lady Eli, Legatissimo, Let’s Go Donki, Mecca’s Angel, Nickname, Pretty Pollyanna, Quiet Reflection, Sea Siren, Switch, Tepin, Tiggy Wiggy and Wild Illusion.

    He was also sent the dams of G1 winners Amazing Maria, Billesdon Brook, Blue Point, Cloth Of Stars, Churchill, Danedream, Forever Together, Free Eagle, Garswood, Gleneagles, Harzand, Hermosa, Jack Hobbs, Japan, Peaceful, Sovereign, The Gurkha, Tiggy Wiggy, Thunder Snow and Waldgeist.

    Moreover, the book contained three very special mares who were G1 winners themselves and have also produced G1 winners at paddocks - Chelsea Rose (dam of Kew Gardens), Halfway To Heaven (dam of Magical and Rhododendron) and Red Evie (dam of Found).

    In 2021 he also has a crop of 137 juveniles to go to war with, among which are the sons and daughters of 32 group/grade 1-winning mares, 30 boast at least one top level-winning sibling and four of the 2-year-olds have both a dam and at least one sibling who have struck at the elite level.

    Given the numbers involved it would take far too long to detail all of Galileo's well-bred 2-year-olds this year. But, for a flavor of what's in store, there are siblings to the likes of Anthony Van Dyck, Found , Gleneagles , Hermosa , Magical, Minding , Tepin , and Thunder Snow in the pipeline, as well as the most expensive yearling filly sold in 2020, the 3.4 million guineas (US$4,612,106) sister to Japan and Mogul.

    Among the group/grade 1-winning mares with a Galileo 2-year-old on the ground are Beauty Parlour, Dancing Rain , Goldikova, Homecoming Queen, Just The Judge, Legatissimo, Mecca's Angel, Quiet Reflection, Sky Lantern, Stellar Wind , and Tiggy Wiggy.

    With so many exceptionally well-bred runners in the pipeline, it seems safe to assume that Galileo has plenty more British and Irish sire championships within his grasp.

    His stud fee is listed as private but is rumoured to be in the region of 600 000 pounds
  • racingfanracingfan Member
    Didnt run as was off her feed and withdrawn
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